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This vn hooked me up so much it's unique in everyway. Redline got my heart and he better not die next update, because if he did, It'll hurt so much.

Please keep up the good work just keep going till this vn goes up

This visual novel is good, but also kinda makes you sad like if you were actually  Zander when redline almost dies or did die. Hope in the next update he is alive and so is Zander after getting choked in the penthouse by Bruce, because I just want to see a sorta happy end.

It seems that only romance interest is redline or would there be more love interests ?

I drew fanart of Drayden! I posted it on twitter with the hashtag #undefeatedVN. Sorry if the quality is bad.

Ah, I can't seem to find it. Can you please tag the Twitter @Undefeated_VN? Thanks!

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Oh! I didn’t expect for you to actually reply to my comment. I tagged the account in a reply, sorry again if the drawing is not good.

Also sorry for the late response!

I made an account just to comment on this. First of all I wanna say thank you for this gift. I thought I was gonna get dating sim that I play for max I about 1 hour but ended up being engrossed in this fantasy/surreal story in an underground wrestling world for about 6+ hours straight. I could not stop playing and wanted to constantly know more of the story, 

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Highlight for me: 

Redline started as a character I thought was just nice and cute but a bit of a people pleaser, then I found him annoying and what I thought was arrogance, and then I thought literally ”you are my only light in this world”.

It felt realistic how this really talketive fella who gave the more stoic Zander attention would annoy him at first, but after being treated by everyone else like crap he would long for the positive attention and even feel apologetic towards Red. I got emotional and felt guilty when learning about the source of Redlines people pleasing nature and I thought it was described beautifly (how he just wanted to be good to someone, through sex etc). How Zander felt protective over Reds positvity. Like I FELT that Zander loved him, I felt he wanted to protect him. I felt how isolated and abused they both were as gay men, and how Redline described ”not feeling like they belonged in the world”. That scene when they sat at the beach was 10/10. So much love, so much pain. The inner diolouge with Zander and him describing his feelings (with the head pats and sleeping next to him in the hospital) felt so pure and gentle. Not overly done, just enough to understand his protectivness and affection for Redline. And it was a slow beautiful build up! Zander I did not feel felt a romantic pull towards Red until later on when he started longing for his attention and positvity, it felt real. It felt pure. 

Maybe there are things that I would change in the story, but the Redliner and Zander relationship really carried it for me. There are a lot more things I could say but I just wanted to let you or yall know that I really appriciate this work. Thank you so much. I hope you take your time with the rest and finish it. 

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Little Rant - Light Spoilers
 I know I already commented my review on this game not so long ago, but I wanted to add a few more things. Im surprised how many people like Redline and Bruce. Usually I end up liking side characters anyways, but isnt is odd? Redline and bruce are the only two people are falling for.

 I already mentioned your choice getting ignored in my other comment so I wont add too much here, but many people seem to not have a problem with it. If this game wanted to have only one love interest then thats fine. Tons of other FVN do it, but its obviously different in this case. Even though this game has around 7 characters, I still don't understand why only two of them are being romanticized by the people in the comments. Personally I kinda like Drayden and Cole, Redline and Bruce are on the opposite side of the spectrum for me.

 Anyways, thats about all I wanted to add. Thanks for making this game.

Quick Question - Not Related

 This is just a quick question and has nothing to do with the game! Is my profile picture just a white picture, or can you actually see a drawing? My browser - or itch.io - makes the picture look white to me. I just wanted to know if it's like that for just me or everyone too. Thanks in advance!

I was just thinking I hadn't played a FVN that really punched me in the gut. Fighting league pun maybe intended?

I hope you-know-who turns out you-know-what. I love him. Looking forward to what's next!

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I really liked this vn, but it's getting a bit too much now.

no pleasee 😭 😭

i was choking on tears and that cliffhanger dude 

i hate cole grrrr

Hope when Zan wakes up he'll apologize for all he said. And maybe kiss and make up. Hopefully 🍀

Is it possible to implement a "hide" button on the UI on android? I know the UI just got changed massively but it would be a huge quality of life improvement down the line. I do understand this isn't development priority now probably.

I'll look into it! Thanks!

thanks for listening to feedback! I know it's a small thing in the grand scheme of things but would make the amazing illustrations so much better to admire :3


can't wait for the next update! I'm hooked!

spoilers I love this story, the characters are interesting and their backgrounds ARE something readers can connect with and thus care about. Little anxious protagonist going up against the angry dino with a temper, and then there's the hyper add hyena sidekick cinnamon roll.

That said, the choices early on with Zander’s feelings when those times come up. I absolutely love stories that can deviate slightly as with the bad ending, Redlines comments on Zander’s perspective etc. On that point, Zander and Red.. I thought Zander had a crush on Bruce with all the hard work and fighting they were practicing together. It is distracting having a choice earlier for feelings of attraction on the cast, will it matter in the end? It made me care for Red less, personally. I feel conflicted, between sympathy and guilt for wanting the choice to matter but it is your story to tell ultimately. I just don’t want the choice to be useless.

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I just got through this update and oh my goodness there's a lot.

I'm definitely trying to go for Bruce as my love interest, (if that's even possible)  Don't get me wrong Red is nice and all but he's really not my type and at the same time I just feel like he needs a friend not so much a boyfriend.


Also I'm kind of upset with the main character now for how he treated Bruce at the last little bit I understand that he's upset and his emotions are high they all are.

But in my opinion that's no excuse for putting all the blame on Bruce and telling him he should have just thrown the fights just so he could win.

Especially when he doesn't even know it's the commander has something over Bruce to force him to try and win every fight so while I am very much mad at Cole!!! The Bitch!! 


I also can't condone the main characters actions/words toward Bruce and to me they even come off as selfish.


Anyways regardless of all that this was a great update really got me in the feels definitely made my blood boil and I can't wait to see this move forward hopefully the main character starts treating both Red and Bruce better.

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Spoilers ​I hate redline so much. I thought we would be given a choice on who to date, but it just gets ignored and forces alex to like redline. If you weren't forced to have feelings for him I probably would've felt bad for him (hopefully) dying, but instead it feels like a reward. I would date litterally every single character - including cole - before even considering to pick redline (and bruce). Also Im surprised barely anyone is talking about drayden, he's the only reason I continue to play this game. Besides my problem with the romatic part of the game, I actually like the storyline. Anyways, thank you for making this.

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"(hopefully)" PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

The dating every single character but X part PLEASE I CAN'T

I wanted to start reading this vn, but after seeing a couple comments I'm kinda scared. Like am I gonna fall for a character and then just get my heart ripped out of my chest again?? Please, with no spoilers, tell me if I should 😭

it sparked emotions in me i havent felt in a while, very good vn, highly highly recommend

Can u send a new discord invite? the other links are expired thanks :D

My  anger towards that one character is unmeasurable  

just asking but is there a discord server or is there planed one?

Yep! Right here! https://discord.gg/Yu3ZNQzUsh

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Spoilers GOD this update was a real punch in the gut bruh. The tension in this update fucking hurt. I wanna like smack the shit out of everyone but red, because omg he didn't deserve that my poor guy 😭 AND THE CLIFFHANGER dude I was so mad I almost dropped my laptop.

Everyone else is pointing out the kinda forced route with red, especially with the choice, and I sorta agree but I’m assuming (mostly guessing and hoping) more routes will be added in the future.

For now we just wait and hope he pulls through ;-;

How did you make a button?

Turn on "Prefer Markdown input where available" in ur profile settings first then u can do this

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thank you

Hi! I played this until I could and I can say this was great! Dude you brilliantly wrote this! Keep up the good work and can't wait for another update! Hopefully Bruce will come with his own choice that he could also choose! great character and deserves the best!

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starts babbling about being forced to stray from straight platonic route to romantic one

HOWEVER! guys, what if there actually will be a difference between routes? What if Red will fcking DIE or go comatose/vegetable if we reject him? 

that's like the only think I came up with that would explain this weird turn in MC's mental 

I read this vn since round 2 came out and I really like this project. Our mixed feelings come from objectively speaking "bad writing" (I hate this term, I don't agree with its usage in this case, but I couldn't find more fitting word to describe it). MC being forced to love a character is good, it is called a route after all, but if we can choose to specifically NOT romance someone and then out of the blue our protag just develops feelings... it's just not cool man... 




Bruces stan forever and ever :')

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Yh i feel yh. I thought i could choose which guy i wanted so i said bruce was hot ig. Turns out it didn't even matter cuz I just ended up loving redline. I like redline but I thought of him as a good friend, nothing more.

Oh and I'm also concerned about the next update since idk how they're gonna solve the conflict between us and Bruce. I mean how is Bruce gonna exactly come back and say "hey sorry for trying to kill u buddy". We were legit making progress and then that happened. Also, I no longer like Bruce anymore. Sorry but I can't exactly forgive him after everything. Granted, we did sort of push his buttons but he also hit us with "you're a shit friend" so I can't exactly feel sorry for him

It makes me laugh so fking much how almost everyone wants him dead or something terrible happen to him, like, can't the story just evolve differently? 😆😆

There are only two things:

the first one is Bruce and anything else is an obstacle on your way to obtain Bruce =^w^=

sorry Red, it is how it is

I don't often feel the need to comment but i do gotta ask: who hurt you so badly for this? i love it i'm sorry but damn like wow i don't think i've been so stunted by an update since TJ's last update so good job but really holy shit.


(and i like readline's semi love plot because it develops their conflicts further so i don't really get the hate, maybe because of the lack of choice? idk i would like to romance bruce too hehe because poly but you do you my guy, tell the story you wanna tell)

As much as I absolutely adore the story and love the concept as a whole, I'm not so much a fan of being forced together with Red, especially after being given the choice to be his friend

T_T [Stares longingly at Bruce] This feels just like real life where I simp over a straight guy who's not even remotely interested

I'd let him choke me fr

Couldn't agree more~ 😌 I wasn't even angry about that

dude same, imagine a CG in round 8 with Bruce doing CPR on Zan <3

I hadn't thought of that till now 😳 I was honestly just glad he paid me ANY amount of attention, even if that meant being choked out 😆

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Same, not sure why you are given a choice in the story to then be forced with red.  I didnt get any romance from them and then a sudden switch

It's kinda detracted from the whole emotional impact of Round 7 for me 😐

Honestly, if there was no choice and Red was the only route, I would have been more comfortable with it, but given the choice, it made me sour 😅😢

Its also personal opinion as well, bigger the better. Bruce, Bucky, even Cole.

I'm the same 😆 I'd love a Bucky route

Tears were shed

Omg i hadn't read some heavy shi like this since ever man thanks for this, really

I've been following and enjoying this VN for over a year, but damn, I didn't like this update for one simple reason...



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The whole romance between Zander and Redline is so forced, it hurts. I actually think that Red is a great character, with some solid character development and background and I really like our hyena as a friend you know, but there is just no romantic chemistry between him and the protagonist... And that's why I was glad to see that he was only an optional romance in the previous round. However...

The fact that there was a choice earlier where you can pick "Purely friendship, nothing more" about your relationship with Red, yet still Zander will sleep in the same bed as Redline in the next chapter and think about how badly he wants to kiss him, like... And then there's the scene at the "fake" beach, where Zander wants to "tell him that he loves him". At the end of the chapter, no matter what you have said before, Zander still will be in love with him, so what was even the point of giving us the "choice" before... This romance is SO painfully forced, it makes me like Red and the VN overall less, which is a shame, because I really really enjoyed previous updates :/

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Ehhh

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Same.

I think the route would have felt a lot more natural if the romance had been left out. So far, the story has been showing two lonely guys becoming best friends. Turning that into a romance either needs to be done later or set up with alternate paths earlier in the game.

Zander's big character development is discovering how much he needs and loves Redline as a friend. As written his romantic feelings feel like a crush. They're too sudden and weaken the impact of their evening together.

Love the new speech... box(?), by the by


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Ah NO! You can't do that to my favorite!

It's been a great read so far, but I must throw myself at the mercy of the author, please don't break my flamboyant heart like this!  

Aaah.... Glad to know a fellow sufferer of the cliffhanger jitters. Me too...

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Well that certainly escalated, I'm shook at the last part of the VN : Edited for spoilers

I want to FUCK that hyena.

If anyone wants Theta_dog on twitch is playing Undefeated Live. he streams everyday at 10pm EST. 


Sorry I posted it here, since there isn't a discord

Well, my old comment was terrible. I didnt explain what i mean, so i explain now. "So,Hanma Baki is going to defeat Kaoru Hanayama?". "Baki the grappler" manga and anime about fightings, yeah whatever. The joke was in fact that Kaoru Hanayama is much bigger than Hanma Baki, just like Bruce and Zander. But in the end of fight - Baki wins. Hope Zander wins too. 

P.S: i pick here image from anime, because manga sucks in quality even worse.

Another P.S?: Guys who thinks Redline is annoying - you didnt pass the exam

I kinda ducked up lol. I used my real email to to make a donation and I don't wanna risk it getting leaked. How would I go about this?

I don't know of any leaks on itch's end, but I don't pay attention to the email addresses of anyone that donates. But that sounds lile something you would need to contact Itch support for.

Alright thanks. Have a great rest of your day/night.

As cute as Redline is... Please tell me there will be a Bruce route? 😢

FRRR WE NEED ONE THIS INSTANTTT

I like the story, looking forward to knowing what's going to happen next, Bruce is so interesting and hot, but Redline on the other hand... damn he's one of the most annoying characters I've ever seen, and to make matters worse he appears all the time like the game forces him a lot as if he were the cannon romance.

Do you think Brucie is a good pet name? Hmm I wonder if he'd knock out Zander if he dared..

I believe Redlines the cannon romance for this VN (And I do love Redline) But these updates really be making me want a Bruce route.

Same

I hope that we can get both of them.

BRUCENATION RISE UP

Hoping for more wholesome cuteness from Redline.

Hell yeah! I think this is far most the best chapter i have ever read

Hi! I finished the last built and it's really awesome, but I wanted to know, Redline is the only love interest in this vn?

Idk that smirk on bruce when you had him pinned is sus

Exactly, if Zander has a chance to date Bruce, I would do it :P

This latest build was awesome though I'm quite nervous on what the hell is gonna happen next

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